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268: From Corporate to Construction Queen: Andrea Seymour

• Camille Walker • Episode 268

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In this empowering episode of Call Me CEO, Camille sits down with Andrea Seymour—co-owner and CEO of Springdale Builders. Andrea shares her journey from leaving the corporate world to launching a thriving design and build company with her husband. What started as a bold pivot into unfamiliar territory quickly turned into a calling that Andrea was naturally built for.

Andrea opens up about her experience with the Tori Burch Foundation, how it transformed her mindset, and why imposter syndrome is simply a distraction from your true potential. Her biggest lesson? You don’t need a certain title, income level, or degree to chase your dreams—just the courage to follow your instincts.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • Why corporate experience can be a launchpad—not a life sentence
  • How Andrea tapped into her natural strengths to build a business she loves
  • The moment she stopped waiting for “permission” to go all in
  • How being part of the Tori Burch Foundation changed her mindset
  • Actionable advice to overcome imposter syndrome and lean into what lights you up

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Andrea:

Unfortunately, I didn't know anybody in this space that I was like close enough with to have those conversations with. But I think that would be a big piece of advice that I have for people starting out. And it's something I'm also very passionate about is people not having to make the mistakes other people have made before. We need to collaborate more and better with each other to make sure that we can kind of eliminate that for people.

Camille:

So you want to make an impact. You're thinking about starting a business, sharing your voice. How do women do it that handle motherhood, family, and still chase after those dreams? We'll listen each week as we dive into the stories of women who know. This is Call Me CEO. Welcome back, everyone, to Call Me CEO. This is your host, Camille Walker, and today we are talking about how to get out of your own way with the idea that you have to have a special certification to have permission or even the ability to go after those things you really want to do. Today, our guest is Andrea Seymour, and she is the co-founder and CEO of Springdale Custom Builders, which is a custom design company for building houses in the Greater Charlotte, Carolina area. I hope I said that right. She is a native of Kalamazoo, Michigan, and has lived in different countries like Scotland, Denmark, Norway, and of course the United States. And she has a degree and minors both in sociology and business, but she has lots of background also in sales, corporate, and hospitality. With all of this together, she and her husband created the best dynamic team, where she, as the designer and he as the custom builder, have created an amazing business with their son as a part of that story as well. So we are so excited to dive into this today. Thank you so much, Rangera, for being here.

Andrea:

Thank you for having me.

Camille:

Yeah. So tell us a little bit more about you. I want to hear where you grew up. I know it's Kalamazoo. We talked about it a little bit, but tell us how you went from there to where you are now and what journey brought you to become a part of the design world.

unknown:

Yeah.

Andrea:

So I was born and raised in Kalamazoo, Michigan, Southwest Michigan, right about here on the hand. Um, and um grew growing up, I just want to grew up in a wonderful place um with a great family and a great, you know, community. And it was a really wonderful place to be, very small town, one stoplight. Um, not a lot going on, farmland for days. Um, but you know, my family built built homes as I was a child. And so um growing up around the building industry was just always naturally, I think, a part of who I was. I was sweeping job sites when I was like five years old while my parents were doing things on the job site. So um I think it was always deeply ingrained into me that I would end up back here. But um, you know, of course, life takes the path that it takes. And so after I graduated from school, I graduated with a degree in tourism and travel. Um, and so I went into hospitality for several years and that was wonderful, but it's, you know, pretty unforgiving as far as a career path goes. Working 85 hours a week, pretty much seven days a week. Um, it's a lot. So I decided that that wasn't what I wanted my life to look like anymore. Um, and so I went into a completely different line of work in corporate sales, and that was wonderful. I was very successful in that space, um, but it was not feeding me um or my soul. So after five years in that, I decided um to leave that and go after what I was passionate about. Um and I did it in tandem with my husband, which has been really fun. Um, and we built Springdale Custom Builders, where we brought my passion side project of design business together with his um building firm and made Springdale Custom Builders.

Camille:

That's amazing. So you have been in business together for 10 years. And you had mentioned previously that it was something where you both had your own businesses, but you decided to bring it together. What did that look like? How did you decide that was what you're going to do? And how did you get into design? Because obviously, your background with being in tourism, travel, hospitality, that's a little bit left field, but maybe went back to those roots of, like you said, your family business. So, how did you come to that place?

Andrea:

Yeah, I started doing it because my friends would come over and they liked my house. Um, they liked what I had done with my space. And so, hey, will you do this room for me? Will you do this room for me? And oh, if you do this, I'll do this for you. You know, it's just kind of like a friend, you know, trade type thing. And then they started referring me to like their friends. Um, and then, you know, my husband's building builder firm at the time, you know, a client started asking me to design their spaces. And I was like, well, I'm not gonna just keep doing this for fun or trade if I'm, you know, actually good at it. So um we decided when I left my corporate career that we would merge our two businesses together, which was very hard for me as a very independent woman. I really wanted to have my own business, but it really just made the most sense to do it together. Um, and it's truly the best thing we've ever done. But it was really hard to give up like my LLC um and just and make it ours. Um, but I'm glad I did. I'm so glad that I did. It's been a really transformational move for me, for our family. Um, and we're really happy with the choice that we made.

Camille:

Yeah, that's cool. So take me back a little bit with the friends that we're coming to, because I think this is a situation we get in a lot of times where there's something that naturally pulls from us that we maybe have a natural affinity for, or people see it and recognize it and ask us questions. How did you start charging? Because that is a question I get from people I coach all the time. People ask me for this, they want this service, they want this, whatever product or service is. What do I charge? And how do you know how to make it so that you stay competitive, but that it's also a business? Like, talk me through some of that.

Andrea:

Yeah, it was really hard in the beginning. It was do I do this hourly or do I do it as a project fee? Or, you know, and it was harder, I think, when I was just doing design and not when it was a design build firm. Like now we have like a really, really solid structure in place. But back then, and when I was doing it on the side and it was a passion project, it was like, oh, I'll just charge you X. And then I was like spending tremendous amount of hours putting this like great design together. And I would look back and say, oh my gosh, I just paid like $200 an hour. Like that makes no sense. So, you know, just figuring out what that looked like, but it's one of those things where you have to kind of go through it and figure it out. And um, unfortunately, I didn't know anybody in this space that I was like close enough with to have those conversations with. But I think that would be a big piece of advice that I have for people starting out. And it's something I'm also very passionate about is people not having to make the mistakes that other people have made before. Like, yeah, we need to collaborate more and better with each other to make sure that we can kind of eliminate that for people. Um, and so it was trial and error, but eventually we got there. Um, and then in 2022, we were named the fourth fastest growing privately held company in Charlotte, North Carolina, which was just very exciting and very validating, you know, as a business owner. And as a small business, it can be really hard to feel worthy and you know, accomplished. But that was a really big milestone for us.

Camille:

That's huge. So, how did you go? I mean, growing with that milestone or that pace, what do you think contributed to that success?

Andrea:

Oh, grit. Just grit, honestly. Like getting up every day and doing it no matter what, whether you felt like it or not, whether you were tired or not. Um, it's different, I think, when the both spouses are in the same business because there is no backup plan. There's not a spouse who's got a really solid corporate career with benefits and vacation time and all this, and then the other spouse gets to just, you know, have their business. Not that it's easy ever, but when you're both in it and it's all you've got, you don't have a choice. Stay on rare. Yeah. The stakes are very high. Um, but I think it's one of the things that's aligned my husband and I so much over the years is that like failing's not an option. So you just go, even when it's really hard, you just do it.

Camille:

Yeah. With I mean, you're almost 10 years in at this point. Do you feel like you have boundaries put in place for family and business? Because I would imagine in the beginning, it's everything all the time. And then eventually you're like, oh, wait, we got to figure this out. Like, how did you go from maybe the beginning stages of that and then figure out what boundaries you needed to put in place working as a married couple for family life, business?

Andrea:

Yeah. So that's really important that that had to happen pretty quick because it was. It was a 24-7 endless loop for a while there. And we started out in our home office. So it was like, as I said to people, like there was no separation of church and state at that point. Like it would all in all the time. And so we decided we needed to get an office outside of the house. So that was like step number one. We got an office. Um, after that, we really had to set some boundaries in place. Like, we're not going to talk about this. If one of us is not in the mind space to talk about it, like it's just a non-starter. You know, if it's an evening and one of us really wants to talk about something, but the other doesn't table it till tomorrow. Um, and I think I'm a little older than my husband. So it's like I've been through a little bit more as far as like corporate life and all of that goes. And so I just am a little, I have a little bit easier time, I think, setting those boundaries. He's he could work 24 hours a day still. And I love that for him. I just can't anymore. I did that for a very long time and I just can't anymore. Um, and so, you know, he knows that like I if I'm not in the space to talk about it, like just don't. Like it's we'll talk about it in the morning. We'll be here at eight o'clock the next day. It's fine. Um, also, even just like schedule sending emails even to each other, like so that the other person isn't getting inundated all the time is really helpful.

Camille:

Oh, that's a good idea. Do you mean like at a stable frequency that isn't like one question emails? So you like save it or more just at times that are appropriate.

Andrea:

Oh, which I know, okay. Like times away. Yeah. But like if one of us decides, like last night we were both working till almost midnight, which is this so this is a really bad example because we're building a different business right now on the side as well. But um sometimes like he'll work till 11 o'clock at night or I'll work till late, you know, and the other one's not. Like the other one's trying to wind down and going to bed. Like schedule setting the emails for the next morning at eight o'clock. That way my phone's not going off or his phone's not going off while you're trying to rest. Uh, and being respectful in that way.

Camille:

That's good advice because the entrepreneurial way is if you especially if you're excited about something, it's hard to turn the button off where you're like, okay, we need a minute. Let's create a space for this. Do you feel like that's something that with your example and your experience of having, because that's something you've talked about of experiencing burnout in in corporate. Do you feel like that was a lesson you learned then?

Andrea:

It is. I think after my hospitality career, I mean, that was really hard. I was working 85 hours a week, you know, for years. And it was in hotels. So they're open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. There's no break. So even if you're not there, the business is still going at full speed. Um, and so that was a really good um lesson for me in like this isn't what I want my life to look like forever. And so when I left that career and went into sales, I defined some really hard boundaries early, which was really hard for me because I was used to virtually no boundaries. Um, and so it was like, I'm going to walk out of this building and take lunch every day. I'm going to leave, you know, five o'clock-ish. Sometimes I worked late, but you know, as a general rule, you know, um, not gonna work every weekend, you know, I had to, I had to completely reconfigure my life. I I had no control when I was in hospitality. And so I had to really take a really hard look at what I wanted it to look like and change that. So it was a good stepping stone um between a really chaotic, erratic career and something that I was more in control of.

Camille:

Thank you for tuning in to this episode. I wanted to pop in and let you know that I am creating a seven-week cohort called the CEO Mindset for entrepreneurs just like you who are looking to claim the title of CEO and to set up systems and maybe even support in your business that you're needing more help with. This is something that is very intimate. It's a small group. And if you are interested in building and having that coaching of how to build a team, how to replace yourself so that you are not doing all the mini-to-dos and you're making more time for your life, please email me at callmeceopodcast at gmail.com, or you can DM me at callme CEO Podcast or CamilleWalker.co. I am cheering you on and I would love to have you be a part of our CEO mindset cohort. Yeah, I mean, but that's wisdom, right? It's going through it and learning, okay, what do I not want viving forward? And what can I bring in? Do you have a routine? I I love asking this question to entrepreneurs because depending on where you are, and you said you're now building something new, which doesn't surprise me, that's so fun. Uh, but do you have things in place for you where you like to wind down, or maybe like morning or evening rituals or times that you that have really helped you to keep that sanity?

Andrea:

Yeah, I do actually. I um in the mornings, I listen to two podcasts every day, um, on my way to work, news, both of them. Um, but I do that first thing in the morning. It's kind of how I get my brain going. Um and then when I leave work, I have a different set of listening that I go into on my drive home. So whether it's an audiobook, which is always fiction. I am a fiction reader through and through because I have to check out somewhere. Yeah. Um fiction or podcasts that are more fun, like New Heights or, you know, Amy Polar or just something that's just like completely, you know, fluff and consequential.

Camille:

Yeah.

Andrea:

Yeah. You can just breathe and laugh.

Camille:

Yes, yes. I love that. What are your news podcasts that you like?

Andrea:

Um, I really like Morning Joe. Um, I think that one's really good. And then I like um I hit news as well. They're funny. Okay. I hit moose. News. Oh, news. Yeah. It's two women from Oklahoma and they're a riot. Oh, perfect. That's fun. Yeah. All right.

Camille:

I like that.

Andrea:

So with people like up first uh with uh NPR.

Camille:

That's another really good. Oh, I know that one. Yeah. That's I like that a lot. Because it's it got it gets like those top hits of what you um what you should know, which right now there's unfortunately way too much to keep too much, try to keep track of are too overwhelming. Yeah. For you and your husband, what are some things that you like to do together to wind down and have your time as a couple?

Andrea:

We love to travel. Um, and that that time is really important for us because the the three of us are my husband's son and I are really close. And so, you know, having that time to like get away from everything and connect because we are just doers, like we are always going hard. Like, no matter if we're at home or at work, like we're doing something. Like there's never not a project or you know, something going on. So I take us out of the country as much as okay.

Camille:

Oh, girl, totally you're speaking my language. That is my favorite time. And I tell any, so I've been married almost 21 years. And I tell anyone that I talk to, newlywed, whoever, that especially when kids come into the story, it is so important to take time for the two of you alone. And I know that it's hard to get daycare or to have that provided. And we are fortunate in having family around that we have had help with that. But that has been a stay for our marriage that is has kept us. It's like we're different people. I call my husband Vacation Paul when we go. I'm like, I really miss vacation paul. Can we go? Oh, and I just love it so much. But yeah, traveling with my kids too. They say that you create memories differently when you're having a novel experience or something that is out of your normal routine. And I feel like those are the things that our kids will remember is how having those moments, those memories, but also understanding um even the hard things. When you travel, it's not always perfect. Thing, things happen, you miss the plane, whatever. We have best of plane. And it you it's almost always those times when things go wrong that the kids look back and laugh and they're like, remember that and remember this. And it cements that that bonding of what we did and how we did it together and how we made it through together. So I love that you do that because obviously you love it too. Cause that's like what you went into. So yeah, I totally agree with that.

Andrea:

Yeah, we take our son everywhere. Like people are always like, Why are you taking him again? And I'm like, Yeah, I love him. Like, not that I don't not that it's that good for you know, Brian and I to just go by ourselves. Um, we don't do it enough, honestly. We need to do better at that. Even if we can we even if we can get it in. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're really lucky too. My mom lives like five minutes from us, and she and my son have a super special bond. Oh, and so they spend time together, like, you know, sporadically, like throughout the week or whatever. So we get a lot of like little breaks like that too. So we're not like desperate for the break usually either. Like we're really lucky that way because we have that like and we always know that relief elve is there if we need it. So lucky. Um, so yeah, it's it's not as urgent usually, but yeah, we we love taking him places and he loves them. I love that. And I think it's you know, travel, you just learn, like you said, you learn so much. And it's so fun for me to watch him because he's been going out of the country since he was like three. And so watching him and like the way he interacts with people and the relationships that he builds with people in other places. Like we went to Anguilla last week again for the second time, and like one of our food servers was the same, and he likes hugging her and like you miss her, and the kids' club director was the same, and he same thing, like just like hugging her and missed her. It was just like so sweet to see like him forming outside bonds, also. So I just think it's really important and special for him to know what's going on outside of these four walls of the United States of America.

Camille:

Absolutely. You know, I'm sure with uh being an only, I feel like they develop adult-like characteristics earlier than kids that aren't only's because they interact so much more with adults and they're just, I don't know, I think that's a worldwide education. It's invaluable. That's awesome. Yeah, definitely. Very, very cool. Okay, so one thing that I wanted to make sure we talked about is imposter syndrome. This is something that is very important to you that you feel like, especially women, need to discuss and get over and to approach it with a different mindset. So I would love to hear what you have to share about that in also how that helped you with building this business that you've built with your husband.

Andrea:

Yeah, I think that, you know, when I think about imposter syndrome and I think about women in business, especially when they're trying to build something, I think that it's really easy to get caught up in, well, I should wait until I have this degree, or I should wait until I have the certification, or I should wait until I accomplish this much revenue, or I should, you know, X, Y, Z. I mean, fill in the blank, right? Um, but I find that it is so counterproductive to becoming your best self and really blossoming into what you your full potential is. And I think that it's a cycle that women get caught up in so easily because we feel like we need to have every qualification and we need to know everything before we walk into the room and we have to be the expert in the field. And sometimes it's okay to lead with your passion and in a responsible way, of course. But you know, when you know what you're doing and you know what you're talking about and you are good at what you do, if you don't have the degree or the certification, that doesn't mean that you're not qualified to do the thing. Absolutely. I always love a college education, but I yeah, but it'sn't that how it goes?

Camille:

Like we were talking about our life stories and how you may be called to one thing in that in a season, and that doesn't mean that it can't change and that you don't have the ability to grow and learn and and to chase something different. And I love that about your story that it's that you have chased your passion and come back to designing because you're naturally so good at it. And I think sometimes we don't even see that until someone holds a mirror up to us and says, you know, you're pretty good at this. Like, what are we doing? Why are we not? I need your help, you know. Um, you are part of the Tory Birch Foundation. Tell me what that means and how does that apply to this understanding of you getting over that imposter syndrome?

Andrea:

Yeah, uh, I just got chills again. I it doesn't matter how many times I talk about hear someone say that, being a part of the Tory Birch Foundation is just a huge honor. Each year, 50 women are essentially brought into the foundation through an arduous application process um and several months of interviews, background checks, all the all the things um to make sure that you're fully vetted and the right fit for the foundation, also. Um, and uh I was admitted into the class of 2023, and it is truly one of the biggest honors of my life to be a part of it, um, to be able to learn from Tori and the president of the foundation is Tiffany Dufu. She's an incredible woman, and everyone who works for the foundation is just amazing. Um, to be able to just be a part of their world and learn from them and grow with them. It's a year-long fellowship initially that you go through and you take an assortment of different classes. It's almost like getting a master's degree in a year, basically.

Camille:

But and you don't pay for it, but you have to apply for it.

Andrea:

Is that right? You apply for it. She actually gives you money. So it's pretty cool.

Camille:

Okay, cool.

Andrea:

Um, you apply for it, and then you are in in the, you know, in the fellowship for the year, and that's you know, they pay for all the classes and all of the, you know, they help you build a pitch deck and like all of these things that they pour a ton of money into this, and then they give you $5,000 for continuing education, which is pretty incredible. Um, and then they bring it in New York City to her headquarters for a week at the very end and continue to learn and grow and all of that. And I was really lucky. Um, I still pinch myself again in another way. Um, I was assigned her brother to be my advisor. Um, and he is the chief legal counsel for the whole Torrey Birch LLC and the president of the Tory Birch Foundation, and he's just an incredible person, also. And so um, I've just been really fortunate to, you know, get to be in their, you know, bubble and see what it's like and in that world.

Camille:

Yeah.

Andrea:

Yeah. And so to meet them and know them, and they're such humble people and they're so curious and so genuine. It's, you know, I think when you meet like your hero, like she was always like, I was always like, oh my God, like her clothes, her shoes, her everything, you know, curses, all of it. Since I was, I don't even know, 20 years old. I've been obsessed, right? Um, but then you just you never know what this person's gonna be like. And I don't think I ever thought I would meet her, of course. Um, but then I did. And she's so kind and she's so humble. And like she was asking me about what I feel about working with my husband because she works with her husband, and you know, she wanted to know about my son. And it's like she's a big deal, and so for her to care, you know, and and want to sit and have that conversation with me was really neat.

Camille:

Oh, that is so cool. And she spoke to this, right? Didn't she about imposter syndrome and what did she choose?

Andrea:

She did, she did. She was highly aspirational for me in this because I think I always had like a little nag of that in the back of my brain, you know, that like, oh, you're not a trained interior designer, like that's not what you went to school for. And I so I think it was always just kind of there. Um, but one day she was talking to us and she said that imposter syndrome was one of the things that was really hard for her and her business. And I was like, I'm sorry, what? You like you have imposter syndrome of all the people in this world, you know? How? How? So I'm thinking to myself, if Tori Birch had an imposter syndrome, what are we doing? You know, like it was like this aha moment for me where I was like, what are we doing? Like we all need to just stop, like full stop. This is not healthy, it's not productive. So lean into what you're passionate about, lean into your zone of genius, be your best self. And you can do that.

Camille:

Oh, that is so good. So good. Tell so tell our audience where they can learn more about you, your business, and you offer design services, but obviously you can't help someone build a home unless they're in the Carolina area. Charlotte or Carolina, yeah.

Andrea:

Yeah, we're Charlotte, North Carolina is where we um build. Um, and we're expanding into Beaufort, South Carolina here soon. Um, so we'll be in both Carolinas now or state. Yes, we're very excited about that. Um, but yes, we can do design services virtually anywhere. So that's something that we're, you know, happy to travel for um or do virtually um for people.

Camille:

That's awesome. Okay, so I ask all of my guests these two questions. And the first is what are you reading, watching, or listening to? And you can tell me just one of the three, or you can tell me one of every all three. And then the second is a motherhood moment that you would want to share that could be anything. It could be funny, heartwarming, whatever comes to mind. Oh goodness. You already shared with us something listening to.

Andrea:

So we just reading on totally fiction, like I said. I I check out with reading.

Camille:

You have a favorite author or book?

Andrea:

I have a lot of favorite authors. I like um Colleen Hoover, I like Lucy Spohr, I like those types of books. They're just like a mental, you know, yeah, checkout. I think last year, I I think I read like 60 books last year. Um, and this year I think I've already read like 45. And do you do audio or physical? I do both. But my Kindle is always in my bag. Like no matter where I go, it's always with me. So like if I have five minutes at the doctor's office while I'm waiting, I'm always reading. Ask my husband's often is jealous of my Kindle. Um, so that's what I'm reading. Um, what I'm listening to, I kind of share those podcasts that I listen to, but I also do listen to a lot of audiobooks. I love audiobooks. They're I think they're so good to just immerse yourself in. And then when I'm watching, I've really stopped watching a lot of shows in the last few years because I read so much. I used to watch a ton of series, like absolutely loved it. But I did start listening again the other day to The Summer I Turned Pretty, just a total checkout, you know. I read them. Yeah, they're so good. July 15th, season three comes out. That was why I started reading it and sound like I just want to like refresher. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, I'm excited to watch that again. And I know that the um I think the Crave series, which is like a vampire fantasy series, that's getting turned into a show as well as one of the other fantasies series that I really like. So I'm looking forward to that. Very cool. Yeah.

Camille:

So motherhood moment.

Andrea:

Oh, motherhood moment. I think just sharing the travel with my son. I think no matter where it is, it's just important to do that. And you know, just building that relationship with him constantly. You know, right now he wants to marry me. So I'm gonna ride that train as long as he will make it. Ride that train. Yeah, he'll come train and say, marry me. And I'm like, yes, yes, right now a thousand times yes. Cute.

Camille:

Oh, that's the best.

Andrea:

Yeah. And so just sharing those special moments and keeping them close because they're just not little for very long. It happens so fast.

Camille:

If you could tell yourself, uh someone that's listening and looks at your story and how inspiring it is and how you've grown this huge business, what would be your piece of advice for them with uh creating a balance for uh motherhood and business?

Andrea:

Well, uh I think two things. I think uh you need to make sure that you're uh fulfilling yourself in both ways. I think that if you have a need to, if you want to work and you want to build a business, like you need to do that. Because if you're not uh doing what feeds your soul, then you're gonna be having regrets probably later. And that may be being a stay-at-home mom, that may be being a business owner, you know, whatever that is for you, like do that. Um I think the I think balance is a little bit of a fallacy because I think that it's just really impossible to achieve it. Um, but I think just do the best you can every day and try to stay true to your, you know, guiding beliefs. And I think that'll take you a long life.

Camille:

Boom. That's how it's done. I love it. Andrea, this has been so good. Thank you so much for coming and sharing. And please tell our audience where they can find you online.

Andrea:

Oh, right. Yeah, my website is www.springdalecharlot.com and we're on Instagram at Springdale Custom Builders.

Camille:

Awesome. Well, I'm gonna be looking that up, and her designs are gorgeous. So I may not be moving to Charlotte. That you're going to be getting the call. Awesome. I'd be honored. Thank you so much. Thank you everyone for tuning into today's episode. If you haven't had the chance yet, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on the podcast. That is what helps people to find our show when they're looking for inspiration, especially for women and mothers building businesses. We want everyone to know that they are capable and that there is so much out there waiting for them. Thank you for tuning in. We'll see you next time.